Beginners - Helis A forum where beginners can get help on the fundamentals for experts who know their stuff!

Discussion- Tx (radio's) stock or what

Old 09-09-2008, 10:12 PM
  #1  
theecoop
Member
Thread Starter
 
theecoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: michigan
Posts: 640
info Discussion- Tx (radio's) stock or what

Lets dedicated this dicussion to using the stock tx or getting a better one.

what are the advantages?
what are the cost ?
are the cost worth it?
what is 2.4 ?
Explain your opinons
theecoop is offline  
Old 09-09-2008, 10:34 PM
  #2  
groundrushesup
Super Contributor
 
groundrushesup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Pflugerville, TX
Posts: 2,338
Default

Originally Posted by theecoop View Post
Lets dedicated this dicussion to using the stock tx or getting a better one.

what are the advantages?
what are the cost ?
are the cost worth it?
what is 2.4 ?
Explain your opinons
Let's suppose the DX7.

Advantages: Better built. Likely more channels, so you can expand into more complex models. One radio for up to 20 of your models. Relatively easy progamming for mixes and the stuff you need for helis in particular.


Cost: $350 for the Heli model radio and a reciever + three DS285 servos, addl. $50-$90 for receivers. Not Cheap.

Worth it: I think so. I like having one radio for everything I fly, and it is a great system.

What is 2.4GHz: An alternative to traditional radio control in that it uses DSSS instead of FM, PPM or PCM. Way too technical, I know. But its main advantage is that it copes / overcomes interference in a much safer way. DSSS is, in te simplest terms, the same principal that wireless networks use, so you can think of a room full of computers all communicating on the same network but not (preceptably) interfering with eachother... same thing with multiple 2.4GHz radios working on the same flight line. each radio and its Rx are linked, and even though there is info out there on the same frequency, the Rx only listens for the 'packets' coded for it, ignoring others.

hope that helps.
groundrushesup is offline  
Old 09-09-2008, 10:40 PM
  #3  
TDisaster
Super Contributor
 
TDisaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Kansas City, KS
Posts: 1,020
Default

I don't like the DX7 for heli's, mainly because it does not have the pitch trim knobs. Yes you can change that in the radio, but I like the ease of turning a dial. Other than that it's a great radio. What I'm using is a JR 8103 with a spektrum module. Has just about the same programing as the DX7 too. They go really cheap on the bay (got mine for 100$).
Mike
TDisaster is offline  
Old 09-09-2008, 10:45 PM
  #4  
HeliG
T-Rex Pilot
 
HeliG's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Lynden, WA
Posts: 1,366
Default

I'm with GRU. I have a DX7 and the programming makes a world of difference. If you need to save a few bucks, you could look at the DX6i which is 6 channel instead of seven and doesn't have quite as many programming features as the DX7. BUT, it would still be a great radio. I think that smaller helis would be much easier to fly with a programmable radio. If you took a CP Pro with a DX6i, I think many people would be happy with the flight. The difference is the quality of radio.

Programming will help with centering servos, keeping the throw of the servos equal, reversing, servo range, and the list goes on. Try working with a cheap radio that can't be programmed and then work with one that can. You will find that there is no comparison between the setup quality.
HeliG is offline  
Old 02-10-2009, 12:41 AM
  #5  
dondecap
New Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 1
Default futaba tx.

hi guys,
I am new to comp tx's, set mine up ok exept the sw/t setting...
It can be set from 0 to 50% ............... now................
does this mean that is the amount of throttle it will give 'extra' to the specified servo comand? or is that the range it will work in?
it's only available in Idleup, I set mine to 30% but there seems to be no difference,
dual rate is set 100 and servo epa is 140% - if that makes any difference
-.
regards
don
dondecap is offline  
Old 11-05-2010, 08:54 PM
  #6  
solentlife
Super Contributor
 
solentlife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Ex UK Brit now in Latvia west coast - Ventspils
Posts: 12,686
Default My mini review of radios I used / use ...

I know this thread is old - but it is a sticky.

I come from the early days of mixing radios. Most were flying with Futaba M series or similar. No mixing or other fancy stuff ... we had to do it via mechanical link-ups on the model.
Then came JR with the Propo series with trim pots, mixing on panels at back of radio :







Yep - I still have it in its original styrofoam ... unfortunately it needs a repair.

This was my heli and aerobatics radio back in mid 80's. It was the Rolls Royce of radios then and still feels better on the sticks than many I've tried today.

Here I am using it for my FP Glow engined Heli ...



Anyway - my return to RC a year ago was something of a learning curve with all the new style Computer radios about. In 80's they were not available until basically about 1990 .. but extremely untrusted !
I read loads of posts and comments about programmable radios ... 2.4Ghz etc.

In the end I decided to go for a RTF plane with basic 4ch 35Mhz (europe). This proved to work even though radio was obviously a cheapo Chinese and worth about $20 max !



As I wanted to progress on and get back to more advanced flight fixed wing and also return to Heli's ... would mean investing in a programmable radio. I fell upon reviews of the cheap FlySky 9ch system with all the programming I could ever need for less than $100. I ordered the radio and I have to say that it has exceeded all expectations ... it has performed nicely. It is well balanced, menu easy to use, mixing all I need, additonal RX's are about $15 a throw and quick to bind ... and it's 2.4Ghz with as good a range as any other set I have seen on site incl. JR, Futaba and Spectrum. No interference from other sets or to them.



It's the TM-002 version with the B Rx ...

I use my old Futaba charger, yes I still have a Futaba 6M system and it works....



charger in use ..



with 2300 mAH NiMH cells in the pack ... gives me plenty of hours use ...



So I now had a modern chip based radio and I had installed it in my fixed wing ... no probs.

Now I wanted a heli and a 450 to be exact. So I ordered a 450 RTF clone at $120 all in + shipping .... which came with a Futaba T6 clone radio - the T6EHP-E Heli variant ...



This has a couple of switches removed compared to the general version, but still has gyro up / down, Idle up, thro hold ... 120 CCPM etc. In fact it really does do the job. Now I'm a novice with this sort of gear - but I have given this radio and also the FlySky to others to try .. who have Spectrums etc. and they are pleasantly surprised at feel and control with them.
I only have one problem with the 6ch set ... which seller has failed to rectify, but sending back to China considering a new Tx / Rx combo is only $45 is not realistic ... the problem is extreme left top section of LCD screen has an intermittent fault, sometimes it shows and most of time it doesn't as per photo here :



but it is still useable, just care to make sure what screen you are on.

With the cheap radios one area of concern is the quality of assembly and also life of the stick pots. I have heard of pots getting 'gritty and worn' quite quickly. This is quite possible. But so far I have had no evidence after approx. 10 months with Flysky 9ch and 3 months with T6 - and they get a lot of use not only on models but also on sims.

Onto Sims .... the T6 connects via a Futaba Din plug and USB adaptor direct without any need for extra utilities. It controls RCPlanemaster, HeliSimRC, FMS without problems. (Personally I think FMS is horrid - but incl here as many I know use it).
The FlySky connects via standard stereo jack plugs as used in audio speakers to PC audio ... But you need to install SPPconsole and PPjoy utilities and have them running in background while playing the sim.

Both give excellent performance on sims as well as out on field in the models.

One day I may return to JR but at moment every $ is important to me in these hard hit days.
solentlife is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 11:10 PM
  #7  
pauliepilot
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 4
Default

Wow how old is this post...
I remember my dad haveing somethink like that probably still has it,i have a dx6i..its a gr8 radio only used it for flying planes but I'm steping into the unknown sooner or later"helicopters" n wanted to bind my dx6 to the honey bee cp3 it but cant unless i spend mre money apparently so that plans down the drain
:-(
pauliepilot is offline  
Old 02-03-2011, 11:12 PM
  #8  
pauliepilot
New Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 4
Default

Wow how old is this post...
I remember my dad haveing somethink like that probably still has it,i have a dx6i..its a gr8 radio only used it for flying planes but I'm steping into the unknown sooner or later"helicopters" n wanted to bind my dx6 to the honey bee cp3 it but cant unless i spend mre money apparently so that plans down the drain
:-(
pauliepilot is offline  
Old 12-10-2020, 10:47 AM
  #9  
solentlife
Super Contributor
 
solentlife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Ex UK Brit now in Latvia west coast - Ventspils
Posts: 12,686
Default

This is an old thread ....

Today ? I really feel sorry for Spektrum ... Futaba etc - with the introduction of Multi-Protocol radios / modules and the greater channel / mixing etc. available in radios half or less price - the 'Brand Names' must be worried about where to go !!
Even FrSky have shot themselves in the foot ... leaving a huge customer base out in the cold ... so much so in fact that 3rd partys have latched on and supply D series Rx's and parts .... as well as those Multi Protocol radios ...

My 9x's .... 9xr's .... all have a long lease on life yet ... there being no visible reason to replace ..... but if I do - then its definitely one of the Multi-Protocol Radios ..... opening up all BnF / RtF models regardless of brand !
.
solentlife is offline  
Old 12-10-2020, 10:11 PM
  #10  
Panther
Super Contributor
 
Panther's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Location: South East Queensland, Australia
Posts: 1,614
Default

So long as the quality is there solentlife. I'm talking gimbals and trims and program buttons.
Panther is offline  
Old 12-11-2020, 03:54 AM
  #11  
firemanbill
Community Moderator
 
firemanbill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Sevierville, Tennessee
Posts: 20,719
Default

I wouldn't go so far as to say I feel sorry for them... they have made plenty of money through the years. I just hope they keep enough market share to stay afloat... heck at this point I hope pretty much all hobby related companies can nowadays. They are disappearing at an alarming rate where we are left with very few choices now.
firemanbill is online now  
Old 12-11-2020, 10:41 AM
  #12  
solentlife
Super Contributor
 
solentlife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Ex UK Brit now in Latvia west coast - Ventspils
Posts: 12,686
Default

Originally Posted by Panther View Post
So long as the quality is there solentlife. I'm talking gimbals and trims and program buttons.
I agree - but today - Brand Name does not g'tee quality or performance.

Look at the Jumper and Radiomasters .... gimbals / switches / buttons as good as any others ...

Even my 9x and 9xr's with years of hard use are STILL flying as good as they did first day.

My next radio IF my present ever do fail !! will be most likely a Radiomaster or the other similar named that just appeared on market ... 16ch's ... touch screen ... Hall effect or the later solid state gimbals ... multi-protocol .... at a price that any pocket could be happy with.
solentlife is offline  
Old 12-11-2020, 10:50 AM
  #13  
solentlife
Super Contributor
 
solentlife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Ex UK Brit now in Latvia west coast - Ventspils
Posts: 12,686
Default

Originally Posted by firemanbill View Post
I wouldn't go so far as to say I feel sorry for them... they have made plenty of money through the years. I just hope they keep enough market share to stay afloat... heck at this point I hope pretty much all hobby related companies can nowadays. They are disappearing at an alarming rate where we are left with very few choices now.
It was a great marketing move by Horizon to lock their Spektrum into the model line up by BnF ... it not only got people to buy Spektrum for that model ... but with the number of Tx's seen on Flight Line it created a self perpetuating myth of 'best radio' ... newbies would see flyers ... ask about radios ... see the Spektrum and viola - it sold itself.

The fact that it really was a marketing tactic that worked rather than actual quality is by the by. I can remember people pressing the scroll wheel and CLICK ... not flying that day because the wheel had broken. Despite the years it was a known fault - Spektrum did nothing - let 3rd party sellers devise a better metal replacement.

But anyway - the Brand Names made money for years ... but have failed to stay with the competition - seemingly sitting back on name alone .... compare a Spektrum and say a Radiomaster ... can anyone honestly say they get value for money from the lesser but more expensive Spektrum ?

Even the Competition organisers are coming round to the fact specifying 'Leading Brand' names for comp use is over .....
solentlife is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
slotdr
Beginners - Helis
2
01-07-2009 03:34 AM
theecoop
Beginners - Helis
0
09-09-2008 10:16 PM
Trickycopter
Radio Equipment For Sale & WTB
0
06-26-2008 01:18 AM
arsonk9
RC Radios, Transmitters, Receivers, Servos, gyros
4
01-02-2008 02:40 AM
booger
Radio Equipment For Sale & WTB
4
01-27-2007 03:05 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Quick Reply: Discussion- Tx (radio's) stock or what


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.

Page generated in 0.13036 seconds with 12 queries