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Old 02-01-2007, 10:23 PM
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Question HZ Supercub what next and how will i know if i'm ready

Well I must say I love this hobby and just cant get enough flying in if I'm not flying my HZ Super cub then I'm at home on FMs or Clear view Sims only put down the TX to sleep oh and work if i have to

I Have only been flying since just before Christmas so my knowledge is very limited and I have already brought a plane that I cant fly just yet so a little advice would be gladly received.


I love my HZ Super cub and after I lost one in the wind I decided to get a Bigger plane so I purchased a Black horse Cub with 72" wingspan great looking plane but as i said above I cant fly for two reasons No funds to buy ESC Motor & batteries but I have already purchased Radio gear second reason NO WAY do i think I'm ready to fly it 1 crash and it will all be over. Any way I brought another HZ Cub and love it the problem is after a few days of great flying weather in the UK and most off the day spent flying the Cub I feel I have out grown it even with ACT turned of & control surfaces set to max travel it no longer tests me I always do runway takeoffs and landing even in wind is relatively easy I can do loops fly upside down, fly very low level and loads more I changed the battery to 9.6v 1400mah and was impressed but I cant see the point of getting bigger battery or changing to lipo as all the cub wants to do is climb with the 9.6v any extra speed is lost keeping her level at full power I know this is what is meant to happen and the only further gain as i see it is even more get out of trouble power. So the question is what next I will keep the cub as it great fun but I want to move onto the next stage with the goal of one day flying my big Cub. I dont mean to come across as the know it all newbe and I dont expect to be flying warbirds or jets next.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:01 PM
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Depending on what radio gear you have already purchased (ie. if you got 3 or 4 servos and if the servos and receiver aren't too huge), and if you can afford a brushed ESC you might consider swapping out the receiver/ESC and non-standard servos from your Super Cub and installing your radio gear along with ailerons. You would then have a decent aileron trainer and you can always reuse this gear when you get around to flying the bigger plane you've purchased.
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:27 PM
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You don't give us a budget so I will not take that into consideration.

You didn't say what radio gear you bought so I will presume it is at least 4 channels.

I presume you are looking for an ARF or a kit.

ELECTRIC PARK/GLIDERS

Have you considered an electric glider? Usually larger than the typical
parkflyer, they also tend to be quite stable and fly a bit slower, which
makes them easy to fly.

If you would like to try soaring with the birds, then an electric glider
might be a good choice. These planes are launched with an electric
motor. They can be flown around using the motor, like a parkflyer,
or they can be flown to height, then the motor is turned off and you
hunt for thermals, just like the birds.

They can do loops and simple aerobatics, but are really optimized for
thermal soaring. The Aerobird and the T-Hawk, which are often
mentioned as first parkflyers, glide and thermal pretty well, but they
come with fixed props. These planes include folding props which make
the plane more streamlined and so it can glide better than a fixed
propeller plane.

It may not have been what you were thinking, but
it may be exactly what you were looking for.

Easy Star - RTF - also listed above
This is a Park Glider - can be flown as parkflyer or glider
Great keep in the car plane!
http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/240025.asp
Easy Star - ARF - Add you own radio gear
http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/240009.asp
Build Thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=350408
Amazing information site for easy star
http://www.mpx-easystar.de/
Video - touch and gos
http://plawner.org/video/easygo.wmv
http://plawner.org/video/easystar.wmv

Ascent - this is a park glider ARF - It can be flown as a parkflyer or a glider
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Shop/ByCategory/Product/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFL1075
Review
http://rcgroups.com/links/index.php?t=article&cat=237&id=4233

Easy Glider Electric - ARF - $89
- This is probably too large to be considered a park flyer but
the combination of great flying ability, tough Elapor construction and great
thermal or slope soaring ability makes this an excellent first electric
sailplane.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKHS8&P=7
Flight Pack
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXKYM0&P=7
Receiver Ready
http://www.hobbypeople.net/gallery/240107.asp
Review of Receiver Ready Package
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=5042
Multiplex Site
http://www.multiplexusa.com/models/ParkFliers/EasyGliderE.htm
http://www.modelspot.com/mpx/easyglider.htm

VIDEOS
Slope
http://www.elflight.dk/video5/easy-gl-hang.wmv
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/MPX4205-EasyGliderSlope.wmv
Aerotowed behind a Magister
http://www.multiplex-rc.de/cms/vorschau/upload/d_videos/easyglider_schlepp.wmv
Flying Indoors
http://www.rcgroups.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=17509&sort=1&cat=506&page=1


Discussion Threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347989
http://www.rchangout.com/forums/beginners/t-six-keys-to-success-for-new-pilots-8492.html/?highlight=keys
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Old 02-02-2007, 10:28 PM
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FOUR CHANNEL AILERON TRAINERS
These planes introduce the full set of flight controls consisting of
ailerons/elevator/rudder/throttle. They are a logical next step for the
pilot who wants to take their flying skills to full 4 channel control. All
of these planes can perform aerobatics, but are primarily designed as
4 channel trainers with high wing designs . This makes them easier
to fly but less aerobatic than the mid or low wing planes.

RTF, ARF & Kits

Multiplex Space Scooter ARF -
The RTF version comes as a 3 channel A/E/T plane but you can add the rudder
servo to the ARF to make this a full 4 channel plane. The instructions
tell you how. The Elapor foam is very rugged and the plane flies well.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV4&P=7
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=548
Video
http://www.bungymania.com/videos/films/spacescooter/spacescooter_sun_stunt.wmv
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/548/SpaceScooter.wmv
Brushless - 2 cell Lipo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MnPuV8Zlhc


Magpie - with both wing kits - $55
Easy to build Foam kit -
Has trainer wing AND aileron sport wing
Master the first, then advance to the second.
They offer a complete package with both wings and all the electronics for
$160
http://www.mountainmodels.com/magpie.php
discussion threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=306795&highlight=SmoothE+build
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3502851#post3502851
Video - slow fly wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/Magpie.wmv
Sport wing
http://www.mountainmodels.com/MagpieSP.wmv

SmoothE - $50
Easy to build Balsa kit with foam wing
Available with 4 channel slow flyer wing and
4 channel aileron sport wing.
I have this plane with both wings.
http://www.mountainmodels.com/smoothe.php
Discussion Threads
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=234349&highlight=SmoothE+build
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=205796&page=19&pp=15
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=276761
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225
Funny video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/SmoothEsmall.WMV

Mountain Models Dandy Sport - $45
http://www.mountainmodels.com/dandysport.php
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=295225
Complete Package $155
Video
http://www.mountainmodels.com/ds1.wmv

GWS E-starter 400 - Simple Foam Kit - $50
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?products_id=551
Available as a ARF complete package kit with radio - $150
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=56&products_id=611

GWS Tiger Moth 400 - Simple Foam Kit - $70
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_54&products_id=203
Complete kit including Radio - $175
http://www.gwsexpert.com/product_info.php?cPath=34&products_id=658
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=345
Video
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/345/TM400m.wmv

Multiplex Magister ARF - $110
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV2&P=ML
Multiplex Magister - RTF - $299
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGZV3&P=ML
This plane is much larger than the others
Close to a .40 glow trainer in size
Reviews
http://www.smoothair.ca/reviews/Magister/magister.htm
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=519
Going busheless
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=621
Discussion
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=309397
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=248624
Touch and Gos
http://www.plawner.org/video/magister_touchngoes.wmv
Video - Take off from grass - standard motor/battery
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/519/magister1.wmv
Towing up a glider
http://plawner.org/video/Magister_easy.wmv
Video - This is not with the standard motor
this plane has an upgraded brushless motor
http://plawner.org/video/magister_test.wmvhttp://plawner.org/video/magister_test.wmv


Wing Dragon 4 Aileron Trainer - $140 RTF
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/wingdragon4.htm
Video
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/media/AT3302-WingDragon4.wmv

BeginAir - RTF or Receiver ready
RTF - $180 Receiver Ready - $110
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/begin-air.html
RTF includes a 4 hour house charger. Plan to spend an added $20-$50 for a
peak charger for use at the field.
Review
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=443
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=583645
video
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/beg3vid.html
http://67.18.81.100/rcuvideos/magazine/reviews/443/BeginAir.wmv
Discussion Thread
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=445663



Cesna 182 - 4 Channel RTF - $180
http://www.ewebcart.com/cgi-bin/cart.pl?merchant=3210&add=1&item_id=144
Includes 72 MHz radio and wall charger.
Sku# 4303 $179.99 4 Channel with 72 MHz Radio
(Intermediate Level Recommended)
Video
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/cessna_long_movie.html
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Old 02-03-2007, 01:03 PM
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Thanks for the Info!
The Radio Gear I have purchased is as follows
Brand new Sanwa RD 6000 Super with 4 servo's rx and battires, I also brought Sanwa VG 600 to use as a buddy box and on the Rc flight sims (I thought it was a bit risky letting the kids use the Rd 6000 as it cost 190 the VG only cost 25 second hand)
My budget is whatever I need the reason i said no funds to buy parts for big cub is I dont see the point in me spending money on it untill I feel i'm ready to fly it you know what its like if I get it ready to fly now i will proberbly think well i will just have a quick go and crash it!

I agree 4 Channel is the next step I like the look of the cessna and would like to know if this is a good plane to fly and what make of model is a good all round flyer.
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Old 02-03-2007, 01:22 PM
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Well i can help you out on the Parkflyers cessna 182 since i just got one and flew several batteries through it. Overall not very impressed with it, takes twice as long to get airborne then the super cub that i have. Prop seems to be very small so not much pull power. Most flying will be at full throttle. The rudder out of the box had a curve to it. The reciever and esc were just laying inside the body of the plane not secured in anyway. Having the super cub and it being a beginner rtf then getting the cessna i thought it should have been a better package then what it was. I dont recommend it for the money, the batteries are now being shipped with deans connectors and while that should be a good thing if you have a bought a lot of hz batteries and there chargers your stuck with parkflyers crappy four hour charger.

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Old 02-03-2007, 01:37 PM
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Mike thanks for that I take it I should steer well clear Parkflyers Cessna 182 as you don't seem at all happy with your. Maybe its not that this a bad plane but the HZ Super cub is a very good plane I have been looking around at different Planes and the 480 stock motor in the cub does seem to be bigger than most training models.

Shame as the Video link that is on thread as good as sold the plane to me!Multiplex Magister is the other Plane that took my fancy not to keen on the look of the undercarriage although it will be a lot more user friendly in long grass my HZ Cub will not take off from anything other than the shortest Grass.
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I so badly wanted to really like the cessna and after watching there video and the specs i thought it was the best one for me. I guess the hz super cub has me spoiled being it is a great rtf package. Plenty of pull and power to get you out of trouble. The cessna looks nice and at full throttle fly's nice but takeoffs leave much to be desired and the front landing gear is kind of crappy too. The other thing that bothers me is the tail assembly that you have to five minute epoxy together. If you damage it in anyway how do you fix it with out having to get a whole new fuselage.
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Old 02-03-2007, 02:29 PM
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I have given you quite a list of planes so I will leave it at that unless you give me more information.

I assume the servos and receiver you ahve are micro in size and are suitable to small electric planes. Many packages come with "standard" size servos and receivers which are not suitable.

Battery & Charger connectors = No Problem

I have a bunch of planes. As you can imagine they have various ESC and battery packs. I have standardized on Deans Ultra for most of them. My Aerobird has been switched over to Deans as well.

The Mini tamaya plug that comes on the HZ planes starts to loosen up after about 50 uses and the connection can become unreliable. So, when I get a new plane, a new ESC or a new battery pack, if it does not have Deans Ultra connectors, I snip it off and solder on a deans.

You can also put adapters together. I have a Deans on my HZ charger and have a 3 way adapter with a female Deans on one end and a BEC/GWS, Futaba J and the HZ mini tamaya connector on the other end

I have 3 way adapters that I use on my Triton charger. One Deans, one red GWS/BEC connector and an Futaba J connector so I can charge my transmitter/receiver packs on the Triton.

In very small, light planes, like my Carbon Kestral, I use the red BEC/GWS connectors for batteries and ESC.

It is a pain, but NEVER feel you are stuck. A cutting plier, a soldering iron, some solder and some shrink wrap fixes all.
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Apparently you have not seem me solder. LOL.
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Old 02-03-2007, 02:47 PM
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If you are going to fly electric, then you must learn to solder effectively. There are just too many incompatible plugs and things that can come loose.

My soldering technique is not the best but I get 'em put together pretty good. You can too.
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Ahhh Different size servos that new to me looks like I need to do more research next time I just purchased what I thought was a good Radio kit the servos are 102 does that mean anything??.

Also although I do prefer the look of a Cessna I'm thinking about the Multiplex Magister as it's a nice size Plane (and not much smaller than my other cub) I take it as its made out of a smilier material as the HZ Cub it will take a couple of knocks (Crashes) The reason I wont fly my big cub is its bulsa wood frame that is covered in a kind of shrink wrap it looks great but not very strong. Any large Cessna planes on the market that are good trainers and forgiving in the hands of a novice like me

Sorry for all the questions I do not know a thing about this hobby but have found this site to be a God Send (the wife is regreting getting me that plane now i'm sure)
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Originally Posted by Huntermd14 View Post
Well i can help you out on the Parkflyers cessna 182 since i just got one and flew several batteries through it. Overall not very impressed with it, takes twice as long to get airborne then the super cub that i have. Prop seems to be very small so not much pull power. Most flying will be at full throttle. The rudder out of the box had a curve to it. The reciever and esc were just laying inside the body of the plane not secured in anyway. Having the super cub and it being a beginner rtf then getting the cessna i thought it should have been a better package then what it was. I dont recommend it for the money, the batteries are now being shipped with deans connectors and while that should be a good thing if you have a bought a lot of hz batteries and there chargers your stuck with parkflyers crappy four hour charger.

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If I understand correctly, the Parkflyers Cessna is made by Art-Tech, the same people who make the Wing Dragon 4. (The WD4 was my recent upgrade path after the Super Cub.) Most of what you said about the Cessna also applies to the Wing Dragon 4; I think the two planes are basically the same equipment dressed up in different shapes. The WD4 also has the receiver and ESC just lying in there...I taped the ESC to the inside of the pod and put some foam against the receiver to secure them. The WD4 also has a rather long takeoff roll, and weak main gear that has to be bent this way and that practically every takeoff to get the plane to roll straight. And yes, once airborne you have to keep the throttle near max most of the time. It would be nice if I could do the aerobatics that it is capable of without always having to climb up and then dive for airspeed first.

Basically I do like the WD4...I think it just would be a lot better if it had a little more powerful motor. One of the reasons I got it was because it shared battery types (and connector type) with the Super Cub (I use the Cub peak charger for the WD4 batteries). I do plan on upgrading the WD4 to brushless power when I get the time. And adding beefier main gear and a steerable tailwheel. Meanwhile, I just got another one of those planes on Ed's list -- an Estarter -- which I will build with brushless power from the start.

Edit: BTW Ed, those links to Estarter at Epyaya are dead-ends. I don't know if it's a temporarily-out-of-stock thing or what, but it's been that way at least a few weeks. Too bad, they were the only place I know of that offered a RTF package for Estarter, and PNP brushless packages.

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Thanks for the info on the links. I will get that fixed as I use that list often.

The Magister is made of Elapor, somewhat similar to the foam in the Super Cub, but not the same. I like Elapor so I highly endorse the palnes made of if.
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Ok, i now know that buying a firebird commander 2 as my first plane, learning to fly then moving to the super cub, then the cessna was going to SUCK me into this r/c world. Now i must learn to solder. Great another hobby. LOL.
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