Sky Fly Owners, AEAJR asks your help
09-21-2006, 02:49 AM
#26
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Originally Posted by AEAJR
Humm, I did not realize that.
Control throw is being limited by firmware in the transmitter.
I thought the Expert mode was suppose to have more control movement
Would have made a lot of sense.
Beginner mode - 1X control movement and automatic up elevator.
Expert mode - 2X control movement and no auto up elevator.
Changing control line attachment point is crude and puts extra load on lines/servos compared to simply rotating the servo motors further.
Would be interesting to get a reading from Hobbico. Could this be a SW bug in the transmitter firmware? (Or is there some hidden way to enable more control throw on the transmitter?)
Clint
09-21-2006, 04:09 PM
#27
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Sent an email to Hobbico re; SkyFly and will post their response.
Note: Just received my Challenger. Day/night difference compared to the Skyfly control. No problem with control surfaces returning to neutral position and control throw in "beginner' configuration is more that SkyFly in "Expert" mode. SkyFly really needs better hinges and/or pushrods. (Also does not help that the SkyFly fishing lines are very stretchy 10# fishing line while the Challenger appears to use more substantial 40-60# line.)
Clint
Note: Just received my Challenger. Day/night difference compared to the Skyfly control. No problem with control surfaces returning to neutral position and control throw in "beginner' configuration is more that SkyFly in "Expert" mode. SkyFly really needs better hinges and/or pushrods. (Also does not help that the SkyFly fishing lines are very stretchy 10# fishing line while the Challenger appears to use more substantial 40-60# line.)
Clint
09-21-2006, 07:34 PM
#28
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This plane is sturdy. I have crashed it into trees, ground, etc. and have yet to have to do any repairs. The radio is adequate for a 600-800 foot range. It does not fly well in wind over 10MPH and will literally hover when faced straight into such winds.
09-23-2006, 01:45 AM
#29
Andrew H.
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
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I Posted this in the thread "We love pod and boom flyers..." Started by Aeajr.
Begginer mode - For the first timer, this can be a plane saver but once they understand how a plane turns you really need to get off this mode quickly and get back in control. For those not familar with this the beginner mode automatically applies a small amout of up elevation 1-2 seconds after the users commands left or right rudder. This helps the plan turn and helps to avoid nose down spin of death. What I have noticed and am a little fustrated with is that you seem to get more range of motion in the elevator in the beginner mode. If you stear left or right, and get the delayed elevator and then pull back on the stick you get more upward deflection of the elevator than when you are on expert mode and pull back all the way. The Beginner assist plus full up elevator seem to combine for more up elevation....
I will be interested to see what reply cbatters gets from Hobbico.
Begginer mode - For the first timer, this can be a plane saver but once they understand how a plane turns you really need to get off this mode quickly and get back in control. For those not familar with this the beginner mode automatically applies a small amout of up elevation 1-2 seconds after the users commands left or right rudder. This helps the plan turn and helps to avoid nose down spin of death. What I have noticed and am a little fustrated with is that you seem to get more range of motion in the elevator in the beginner mode. If you stear left or right, and get the delayed elevator and then pull back on the stick you get more upward deflection of the elevator than when you are on expert mode and pull back all the way. The Beginner assist plus full up elevator seem to combine for more up elevation....
I will be interested to see what reply cbatters gets from Hobbico.
09-23-2006, 03:24 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by Wind Shear
I Posted this in the thread "We love pod and boom flyers..." Started by Aeajr.
Begginer mode - For the first timer, this can be a plane saver but once they understand how a plane turns you really need to get off this mode quickly and get back in control. For those not familar with this the beginner mode automatically applies a small amout of up elevation 1-2 seconds after the users commands left or right rudder. This helps the plan turn and helps to avoid nose down spin of death. What I have noticed and am a little fustrated with is that you seem to get more range of motion in the elevator in the beginner mode. If you stear left or right, and get the delayed elevator and then pull back on the stick you get more upward deflection of the elevator than when you are on expert mode and pull back all the way. The Beginner assist plus full up elevator seem to combine for more up elevation....
I will be interested to see what reply cbatters gets from Hobbico.
Begginer mode - For the first timer, this can be a plane saver but once they understand how a plane turns you really need to get off this mode quickly and get back in control. For those not familar with this the beginner mode automatically applies a small amout of up elevation 1-2 seconds after the users commands left or right rudder. This helps the plan turn and helps to avoid nose down spin of death. What I have noticed and am a little fustrated with is that you seem to get more range of motion in the elevator in the beginner mode. If you stear left or right, and get the delayed elevator and then pull back on the stick you get more upward deflection of the elevator than when you are on expert mode and pull back all the way. The Beginner assist plus full up elevator seem to combine for more up elevation....
I will be interested to see what reply cbatters gets from Hobbico.
SkyFly airplane / transmitter would be a killer combo if they doubled the control throw in expert mode. Servos/receiver/transmitter could do it. Just a firmware limitation / bug.
Clint
PS: Many thanks for your informative posts.
09-27-2006, 03:27 PM
#31
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No response from Hobbico yet. And I have tried dozens of power-up sequences on the transmitter but have not found any that enable larger throw in Expert mode. (Was hoping to find a hidden control mode that is enabled by powering up with sticks in a particular position like hobbyzone Challenger transmitter.)
Also trying to find out if anyone has tried heavier fishing lines on SkyFly to get rid of mushy controls.
Clint
Also trying to find out if anyone has tried heavier fishing lines on SkyFly to get rid of mushy controls.
Clint
10-02-2006, 09:07 PM
#32
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Finally got a response from Hobbico...
Hello,
Thank you for your recent e-mail.
This is normal operation. When beginner mode is selected, a small
amount of up elevator is mixed in a moment after rudder input is
provided, as the customer states. If full rudder and up elevator is
inputted in beginner mode, the elevator travel will add the normal up
elevator deflection plus the amount mixed in from the rudder. This
allows the pilot full elevator control even with rudder inputted.
Elevator/rudder mix is the only physical difference between beginner and
expert modes. Expert mode is not intended to increase control throw.
It is not recommended to alter the control line positions to obtain
more elevator throw. Adjusting the throw mechanically may prevent the
servos from overcoming the tension of the rubber band attached to the
elevator.
Unfortunately, there is no alteration to the transmitter available to
allow more control surface deflection.
I hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further
questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this
email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any
future questions.) You can also reach our product support technical
team at 217-398-8970, or via fax at 217-398-7721.
DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked
questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
information helpful and valuable to you.
Sincerely,
Adam W.
Product Support
Thank you for your recent e-mail.
This is normal operation. When beginner mode is selected, a small
amount of up elevator is mixed in a moment after rudder input is
provided, as the customer states. If full rudder and up elevator is
inputted in beginner mode, the elevator travel will add the normal up
elevator deflection plus the amount mixed in from the rudder. This
allows the pilot full elevator control even with rudder inputted.
Elevator/rudder mix is the only physical difference between beginner and
expert modes. Expert mode is not intended to increase control throw.
It is not recommended to alter the control line positions to obtain
more elevator throw. Adjusting the throw mechanically may prevent the
servos from overcoming the tension of the rubber band attached to the
elevator.
Unfortunately, there is no alteration to the transmitter available to
allow more control surface deflection.
I hope you find this information helpful. Should you have any further
questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us at this
email address. (Please be sure to copy all previous emails into any
future questions.) You can also reach our product support technical
team at 217-398-8970, or via fax at 217-398-7721.
DID YOU KNOW that our web pages now all contain FAQs? (Frequently asked
questions) Please drop by and take a look! We hope you'll find the
information helpful and valuable to you.
Sincerely,
Adam W.
Product Support
01-04-2007, 12:57 PM
#33
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Seeing how we're all talking about range here on these skyfly's, my dad had his go over 1/2 mile away from him, and he still had control! That is, at least, until the wind caused a nose dive (not a good thought, most likely a 40+ mph collision right into the ground from about 200-250ft up! We actually went to look for the plane, and drove over to a school 1/2 mile away!
01-04-2007, 02:17 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by mclarenowner4
Seeing how we're all talking about range here on these skyfly's, my dad had his go over 1/2 mile away from him, and he still had control! That is, at least, until the wind caused a nose dive (not a good thought, most likely a 40+ mph collision right into the ground from about 200-250ft up! We actually went to look for the plane, and drove over to a school 1/2 mile away!
Clint
